In the previous post, we looked at student survey data from a typical US high school. In this post I want to provide some interesting demographic breakdowns before turning to student constructed response answers at the bottom here and in the next post.
First, let’s look at results by gender:
Now let’s look at students who get mostly A grades (at least by self-report):
One might expect – I did – that A students would be happier with teachers on those problematic metrics I highlighted last time – i.e. how well my teachers know me, how good their feedback is, how much they try to make the work interesting. Alas, no:
Let’s have our first look at constructed response, in closing this post. Students were asked on the last question: if you could ask your teachers to make one change to make classes more interesting, what would you say? Here is what the “A” students said (I have selected these answers randomly by just selecting the middle 20+):
- Try something creative when teaching something new
- To not talk the entire time and give us more hands on things to do /work on.
- Provide more opportunities for the students to learn for themselves, without just providing them with everything.
- Only talk as much as you need to and leave most of the investigative discussions to the class
- Nothing
- I would say to make sure everything is clear for the students
- Get a better grading scale and do more variety of things because in biology we do the same thing every unit and then just have a test randomly
- Have students teach for once to see if they know what they’re doing.
- Don’t make tests or assignments just about memorization, because then no one will actually understand it.
- Well, some teachers are great and teach me very well. It’s the few teachers that really need to step it up. Also they have to realize that we can’t prioritize their work first if every teacher wants their work prioritized.
- The teachers should slow down their teaching a little bit when asked to because by not slowing down, it’s not helping students learn to their best ability.
- To relate assignments more to the students and make them less busywork and more in terms of variety. They should provide variety in class every week to keep things interesting
- Make projects more fun to do by giving us more options and more visuals in class because some people learn better that way.
- To help those even if they have advanced thinking, and teachers should put more energy in paying attention to children, and fix the situation where those who are good kids get yelled at more often than those who fool around on a daily basis.
- Make sure the students fully understand what’s being taught before moving on to something new. Try to get to know students and talk to them before class or something to make everyone feel comfortable around you. So you’re not the “mean” teacher.
- Slow down and teach the subject more instead of assuming we know and understand the material.
- Just be more understanding and try to put themselves in the students shoes.
- Actually engage the students in learning. Don’t just stand up at the front of the class rambling on or just give the students a packet and tell them to learn it.
- Have a variety of assignment and classwork choices to appeal to student learning styles.
- Be more willing to answer individual questions, don’t get annoyed if someone doesn’t understand something because we are just learning it, it is new to us.
- Include more direct instruction instead of making us figure it out on our own. Be clear and teach us material
- Find a medium between allowing a student to learn on their own and guiding them through the subject. Neither extreme is helpful to students and may result in a lack of preparedness later in life, but unfortunately both are prevalent in our school today.
- Plan more hands on activities rather than lecturing us. Or at least involve us into a conversation.
- It would be helpful if there would be more interactive or hands-on activities.
- Make a game out of it or add something that we can relate to like acting something out not just presenting. Add something fun or spontaneous to make us want to learn what your teachers. At this rate I will forget most information because I think it is pointless.
- Have more hands on projects or leave projects open so that kids can chose a project that best fits there learning and teaching others style.
- Grade fairly on what we know and not take points off for irrelevant things.
- Act like they care for you as an individual and use real life examples that relate to teens.
- Come up with different ways to explain things to different kids- not everyone learns the same way
- They could try and directly relate the subject or specific topic to our lives, otherwise everything seems so irrelevant and pointless. It makes kids think “when am I ever going to use this in the future”.
- Tell us what we need to work on individually after an assessment of our ability so we can improve. Because if we just keep getting bad grades and we don’t get any feedback then there is no point.
- Gamification.
- Be creative and don’t be afraid to be passionate and excited about what you’re teaching us. Challenge us to understand beyond the basic facts and ideas not because they’ll be on a test, but because they’re things we should want to know. Relate to us – we may just be teenagers, but we need to feel our teachers respect our learning capabilities and expect greatness from us.
- Make students want to learn by either showing how fascinating subjects can be or show relevance to our lives. Most students want to learn, but these students often don’t see how their education allows them to learn. Rarely do we discover what it is we want to engage in, we are forced to learn and are tested on that. It feels like going to a restraint and only having one menu item and you have to eat it in a certain way or you fail. Students should be allowed to explore the world of knowledge that they have and discover their passions and then they will have a want to learn. In today’s schooling world we learn endlessly about stuff that we won’t ever need again and don’t satisfy our want for knowledge.
- Please please please try to just shake it up sometimes. Give us a variety of work and activities and don’t just stick to the same type of lesson everyday.
- Work can be made more interesting by giving more freedom to the students. If a student really enjoys the subject they can explore it farther and learn more, and become better students and better citizens.
- To engage all students in the lesson instead of just saying what we need to do that day in class.
As I did in the last post, I’ll end with questions. These results are problematic in a number of ways. What, then, are the problem statements you would frame, based on this data? Resist the urge to explain why these results exist; first, see if you can first agree with your colleagues on what the data mean.
More specifically:
- What do comparisons by gender reveal? Where do the results differ? Where are they basically the same? (Only then ask: why might those differences exist and how might we investigate them further?)
- What do we learn from the A students? Which of the answers most surprised or concerned you and why? (Only then ask: why do such results exist from our best students?)
- What do we learn from comparing boys, girls, and A students as to why they like or dislike a subject? What are the differences? What are the commonalities?
- What patterns do you see in the student suggestions? Can you make a priority recommendation to this faculty, based on these responses?
PS: If there are some other filtering/crosstab data you’d like to see beyond those presented so far, let me know and I’ll show them in the final post.
12 Responses
Have surveys like this been done in urban high schools with the data broken out in this much detail? If yes, will you please point me to them? Thank you!
We have only a few urban schools in our database, alas. But I have 2 requests pending for next week, and 1 just finishing, so I hope to present those (limited) results next month. Alas, almost all other existing surveys do not include this much data or, especially, constructed response; nor do they dis-aggregate subjects which seems quite inadequate to me; that’s why I built this survey. Many such surveys DO include the questions asked here of one’s teachers (do they know you, do they give good feedback, etc.). Part of why I included those was to do some correlation to other surveys (for example, the surveys in the state of Illinois and the Gallup survey). Spread the word! I give it for free because I think we all need to see this data.
Grant, congratulations to you. This is leadership quality work. Your “pictures” (graphs) are worth a thousand words. Your questions and the students’ answers provide valuable insights for educational betterment and professional fulfillment among our teachers and principals.
What I gleaned most from the students is they are “aware”…of their teachers and teaching exuberance and professionalism, they are to some degree motivated and governed by their confidence and sense of self-esteem, and perhaps they need to be “sold” on who they really are, what they are capable of, and how education relates to life experience: How they can study with their DREAMS in mind.
Can DREAMS be the one element missing in schools today? Can we imagine a student-body motivated by their DREAMS? Learning as a result of their dreams? Students of all learning-levels “equalized” by their dreams?
Are DREAMS a reality, and can they be explained scientifically?
For example, a scientist believes in a hypothesis, and a lay person (student, entrepreneur, et al) believes in a dream (a vision). Both scientist and dreamer must believe something to be true BEFORE knowing it is true.
Ironically, science can discover by accident, but nothing is revealed by accident. Dreamers don’t prove what is impossible; they affirm what is possible by both their actions and their belief.
Dreams matter; aspirations matter. They help us envision a world beyond the inadequacies of the present. If HS becomes mere boot camp for some hazy future; if ti fails to allow us to play to interests, it simply won’t work except for those who trust adults and are really good at delayed gratification. The results from the A students, especially, should be a big wake-up call to all HS teachers.
Thanks, Grant. What if a football athlete goes in and comes out an Algebra class with an understanding of how solving for “X” can help him on the football field? And how about a kid who has a dream of being a teacher who studies world literature with that end in mind? Would not he or she not benefit? No, Grant, I’m not talking about a hazy future, rather a clearer reason to study.
Absolutely. As you’ll see in the constructed responses, the kids plead for more meaningful work, linked to interests and aspirations.
They want to be invited to engage with the coursework.
They want to connect one book or idea or proof or painting to others. Intertextuality.
You’ll see some of this much more clearly when I post the reasons why kids dislike English.
Some wonderings I have…The survey data shows that some students like and do well with subjects in which they are interested. The constructed responses indicate that some students are interested in more direct instruction while other students are interested in more opportunities to figure stuff out on their own. Instead of trying to regress to the mean by balancing our courses and instruction to include everything, we should be creating more specialized schools and experiences for HS grades. At the end of middle school, students who have demonstrated a proficiency in the 3 R’s ought to have more options, not fewer. If a 14 year old is really interested in sport, then why do they need four more years of math or history? Instead, they could be studying sport science, or sport medicine, or nutrition and graduate with a real expertise in something, rather than a generic education that included many subjects in which they lack interest and has no perceived relevance.
I agree with your analysis (and when you see more constructed response it will be buttressed further): the lack of choice is a major determining factor in these results. As you’ll see, there are endless complaints about the inability to choose books in English, for example. And as I have written a few times in this blog, I taught in a HS system that permitted far more choice of electives to meet requirements 40 years ago.
I noticed something odd. Health, technology, and family/consumer sciences are at the bottom of both lists – favorite and least favorite. Kinda odd that it ranks so low in both. Does that mean they really don’t care about those classes one way or another?
It is also eye-opening to see students actually begging for chances to learn new material (in different ways) and extend their knowledge about interesting subjects. Students really want to be in interesting classes where the teacher cares about the subject. Seems like this data should be shown to teachers before the school year starts…
You’ll see this even more clearly in the reasons kids give for likes and dislikes and their suggestions for improvement. The most interesting findings in this survey – and the pattern has been there all 4 years – is that the teacher is not the key reason for the liking or disliking. It’s a function of the interest value of the work and whether they feel competent in doing the work.
I suspect the health/technology/consumer sciences results have to do with limited offerings across the four years, though that’s only speculation. In middle schools where such courses are a big deal, the scores are higher at both ends.